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> <channel><title>Comments on: You can&#8217;t be a fan of SF and lament the rise of ebooks</title> <atom:link href="http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/</link> <description>Words, Stories, Myth &#38; Opinion - Dark Speculative Fiction and Misanthropy</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 11:05:09 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: alan</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16152</link> <dc:creator>alan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16152</guid> <description><![CDATA[Paul - your comment is largely right, in my opinion. For example, Peter Watts, Hugo-winning SF writer, credits giving his books away for free as ebooks with saving his writing career, so there&#039;s a lot to be said for massive exposure, even if the author is not getting paid right away. For example, if the books I have published now get to 50,000 readers through piracy and I only get the money for a handful of those, it&#039;ll be worth it if those 50,000 all buy any new book that comes out; or even 5,000 or 10,000 of them. Of course, it doesn&#039;t necessarily work like that.The other thing is the sheer volume. For every print book that&#039;s bought, it might change hands a dozen times. The original purchaser buys the book, reads it and then lends it to a few mates. It then goes to a second-hand bookstore and sells to someone else, etc. An ebook, purchased by one person, could easily go to a dozen other readers within minutes, all at the same time. They could easily send it to a dozen more and so on. Someone could put it up on a file-sharing site and then it goes (potentially) to thousands. Therein lies the fundamental difference and it is significant.Then again, I reiterate: Obscurity is worse than piracy.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; your comment is largely right, in my opinion. For example, Peter Watts, Hugo-winning SF writer, credits giving his books away for free as ebooks with saving his writing career, so there&#8217;s a lot to be said for massive exposure, even if the author is not getting paid right away. For example, if the books I have published now get to 50,000 readers through piracy and I only get the money for a handful of those, it&#8217;ll be worth it if those 50,000 all buy any new book that comes out; or even 5,000 or 10,000 of them. Of course, it doesn&#8217;t necessarily work like that.</p><p>The other thing is the sheer volume. For every print book that&#8217;s bought, it might change hands a dozen times. The original purchaser buys the book, reads it and then lends it to a few mates. It then goes to a second-hand bookstore and sells to someone else, etc. An ebook, purchased by one person, could easily go to a dozen other readers within minutes, all at the same time. They could easily send it to a dozen more and so on. Someone could put it up on a file-sharing site and then it goes (potentially) to thousands. Therein lies the fundamental difference and it is significant.</p><p>Then again, I reiterate: Obscurity is worse than piracy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Lagasse</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16148</link> <dc:creator>Paul Lagasse</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16148</guid> <description><![CDATA[Alan: with regard to piracy and author revenue, I&#039;d like to throw out an analogy for your consideration. Not sure how well it works, but bear with me at least through my attempt at an explanation.The analogy is: in terms of author revenue, piracy : DRM&#039;ed e-books :: used books : paper books.As in, both piracy and used book sales are ways to spread a book outside of the original distribution channels and also without providing revenue to the author.I hasten to add that I am neither advocating piracy nor equating it with the legal and widely accepted practice of selling used books. What I&#039;m trying to suggest is that with used books we already have a long and established tradition of not compensating creators for sales of their work (beyond the initial purchase), and yet to most people the argument that &quot;used book sales are depriving authors of income&quot; would, while accurate, sound strange because of all the other benefits used books offer for readers, authors, and publishers alike.My speculation (and feel free to poke holes in it, albeit gently please) is that DRM-cracking and piracy could end up becoming the digital realm&#039;s equivalent of the used book market, and that it will play a roughly similar role. Authors, publishers, and distributors will reluctantly but ultimately realize that the gains outweigh the losses -- if not financially, then in terms of audience building and publicity.Whaddya think?]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan: with regard to piracy and author revenue, I&#8217;d like to throw out an analogy for your consideration. Not sure how well it works, but bear with me at least through my attempt at an explanation.</p><p>The analogy is: in terms of author revenue, piracy : DRM&#8217;ed e-books :: used books : paper books.</p><p>As in, both piracy and used book sales are ways to spread a book outside of the original distribution channels and also without providing revenue to the author.</p><p>I hasten to add that I am neither advocating piracy nor equating it with the legal and widely accepted practice of selling used books. What I&#8217;m trying to suggest is that with used books we already have a long and established tradition of not compensating creators for sales of their work (beyond the initial purchase), and yet to most people the argument that &#8220;used book sales are depriving authors of income&#8221; would, while accurate, sound strange because of all the other benefits used books offer for readers, authors, and publishers alike.</p><p>My speculation (and feel free to poke holes in it, albeit gently please) is that DRM-cracking and piracy could end up becoming the digital realm&#8217;s equivalent of the used book market, and that it will play a roughly similar role. Authors, publishers, and distributors will reluctantly but ultimately realize that the gains outweigh the losses &#8212; if not financially, then in terms of audience building and publicity.</p><p>Whaddya think?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: alan</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16096</link> <dc:creator>alan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:58:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16096</guid> <description><![CDATA[Steve - there won&#039;t be interfaces any more. Direct uplink, powered by the body!sidp - What did MP3s do to the CD? Just about everyone I know listens to an iPod or similar now. People still buy CDs, sure. I do as well. I rip them into iTunes, put them on my phone and the CD itself is rarely, if ever, played again. Ebooks might not have stuck with you now, but there are still people that play vinyl records too. Just like MP3s, ebooks will become ubiquitous.Elf - Ziplock is a great idea. Good for the beach too, with sand and salt, etc. Although I&#039;m reliably informed that you can get waterproof covers anyway. Certainly a ziplock is cheaper!]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; there won&#8217;t be interfaces any more. Direct uplink, powered by the body!</p><p>sidp &#8211; What did MP3s do to the CD? Just about everyone I know listens to an iPod or similar now. People still buy CDs, sure. I do as well. I rip them into iTunes, put them on my phone and the CD itself is rarely, if ever, played again. Ebooks might not have stuck with you now, but there are still people that play vinyl records too. Just like MP3s, ebooks will become ubiquitous.</p><p>Elf &#8211; Ziplock is a great idea. Good for the beach too, with sand and salt, etc. Although I&#8217;m reliably informed that you can get waterproof covers anyway. Certainly a ziplock is cheaper!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Elf</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16084</link> <dc:creator>Elf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:00:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16084</guid> <description><![CDATA[Am I the only person in the history of ebooks to have figured out that &lt;em&gt;you can read ebooks in the bath&lt;/em&gt; with a ziploc to protect your ereader? More safely, I might add, than you can read hardcovers or paperbacks; no steam to damage the pages.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only person in the history of ebooks to have figured out that <em>you can read ebooks in the bath</em> with a ziploc to protect your ereader? More safely, I might add, than you can read hardcovers or paperbacks; no steam to damage the pages.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sidp</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16076</link> <dc:creator>sidp</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:06:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16076</guid> <description><![CDATA[Yes I can. E-books are going to do to print books what MP3s did to the CD. I have a Nook and it&#039;s gathering dust on a shelf; it is NOT the same experience as reading a print book, not to these eyes and hands, sorry.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I can. E-books are going to do to print books what MP3s did to the CD. I have a Nook and it&#8217;s gathering dust on a shelf; it is NOT the same experience as reading a print book, not to these eyes and hands, sorry.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: steve davidson</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16070</link> <dc:creator>steve davidson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 10:08:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16070</guid> <description><![CDATA[No pass for you Alan; just because you have some collectibles - nope.See, what you do is buy TWO copies - read one and don&#039;t touch the other.Yes, wet-ware, but the interfaces you&#039;d need to call the space colony are no longer powered, so that solution won&#039;t cut it.I won&#039;t be burning my books to keep from freezing, and neither will you.  I&#039;m burning people;  that doesn&#039;t offend my sense of morality and I can collect the fat to make candles so as to keep right on reading BOOKS.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No pass for you Alan; just because you have some collectibles &#8211; nope.</p><p>See, what you do is buy TWO copies &#8211; read one and don&#8217;t touch the other.</p><p>Yes, wet-ware, but the interfaces you&#8217;d need to call the space colony are no longer powered, so that solution won&#8217;t cut it.</p><p>I won&#8217;t be burning my books to keep from freezing, and neither will you.  I&#8217;m burning people;  that doesn&#8217;t offend my sense of morality and I can collect the fat to make candles so as to keep right on reading BOOKS.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: alan</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16060</link> <dc:creator>alan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 01:26:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16060</guid> <description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right - DRM is a real problem. The main issue that I have with it is exactly what you raise. When I buy an ebook, I own that ebook and I want to have the option to juggle it between devices and so on. DRM is basically accusing everyone of being a pirate from the outset.As I mentioned earlier, as an author I should be for DRM because I know I&#039;m losing income on pirate copies of my books. But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a big enough issue - I&#039;d prefer to put up with the piracy, which will happen with or without DRM - and have DRM free books for the vast majority of honest people out there.I can&#039;t remember who said it, but the old quote springs to mind: Obscurity is worse than piracy.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right &#8211; DRM is a real problem. The main issue that I have with it is exactly what you raise. When I buy an ebook, I own that ebook and I want to have the option to juggle it between devices and so on. DRM is basically accusing everyone of being a pirate from the outset.</p><p>As I mentioned earlier, as an author I should be for DRM because I know I&#8217;m losing income on pirate copies of my books. But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a big enough issue &#8211; I&#8217;d prefer to put up with the piracy, which will happen with or without DRM &#8211; and have DRM free books for the vast majority of honest people out there.</p><p>I can&#8217;t remember who said it, but the old quote springs to mind: Obscurity is worse than piracy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gary Gibson</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16048</link> <dc:creator>Gary Gibson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:17:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16048</guid> <description><![CDATA[I own a Kindle and love it. I previously owned a SOny Reader and had no choice but to learn how to strip DRM from previously purchased books in order to transfer from one machine to another. That part sucks, and is still a major barrier to people&#039;s ability to truly enjoy the e-reading experience. Apart from that, it&#039;s glorious.Note: when you smell a book, particularly an old one, you&#039;re smelling industrial chemicals and the scent of paper in the long, slow process of rotting. It&#039;s the smell of decay. Give me an ereader any time.You might be interested to know you can, in fact, get waterproof cases for Kindles and the like. So yes, you can read them in the bath.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own a Kindle and love it. I previously owned a SOny Reader and had no choice but to learn how to strip DRM from previously purchased books in order to transfer from one machine to another. That part sucks, and is still a major barrier to people&#8217;s ability to truly enjoy the e-reading experience. Apart from that, it&#8217;s glorious.</p><p>Note: when you smell a book, particularly an old one, you&#8217;re smelling industrial chemicals and the scent of paper in the long, slow process of rotting. It&#8217;s the smell of decay. Give me an ereader any time.</p><p>You might be interested to know you can, in fact, get waterproof cases for Kindles and the like. So yes, you can read them in the bath.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: alan</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16041</link> <dc:creator>alan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 05:07:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16041</guid> <description><![CDATA[euphrosyne - You didn&#039;t call me on anything. You made a ridiculous comparison. You talk about debate skills, yet you&#039;re trying to argue using a logical fallacy. I know not all SF fans are in it for wish fulfillment, but there&#039;s a huge difference between complaining about technology while enjoying a genre based largely on technological advancement and murder!But by all means take your ball and go home and punish me by never buying a book of mine. Yet you accuse me of, “I know you are but what am I?”]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>euphrosyne &#8211; You didn&#8217;t call me on anything. You made a ridiculous comparison. You talk about debate skills, yet you&#8217;re trying to argue using a logical fallacy. I know not all SF fans are in it for wish fulfillment, but there&#8217;s a huge difference between complaining about technology while enjoying a genre based largely on technological advancement and murder!</p><p>But by all means take your ball and go home and punish me by never buying a book of mine. Yet you accuse me of, “I know you are but what am I?”</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: euphrosyne</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/fan-sf-lament-rise-ebooks/comment-page-1/#comment-16040</link> <dc:creator>euphrosyne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 04:56:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=4170#comment-16040</guid> <description><![CDATA[FWIW, I own and love a Kindle, and use it daily. I wasn&#039;t debating the spirit of your message, but rather your ill rhetorical treatment of it. I&#039;m always amazed at authors who seem to believe that style and content are somehow separate and independent.You claim quite clearly that SF fans have a particular obligation to accept e-readers because of SF&#039;s themes (&quot;...embrace the future, or forever hang up your SF fandom&quot;). Then you try, poorly, to dodge that claim when called on it. Quoting my comment and saying &quot;that&#039;s ridiculous&quot; (and nothing more) makes you look more foolish than if you had just ignored me. It&#039;s the equivalent of &quot;I know you are but what am I?&quot; You&#039;ve done precisely nothing to rebut my very straightforward comparison.But I learned long ago not to waste time debating on the interwebs with people who have no grasp of the basic rules of debate. Adieu, and rest assured that I won&#039;t bother you again, nor will I pick up one of your books the next time I&#039;m browsing the stacks.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I own and love a Kindle, and use it daily. I wasn&#8217;t debating the spirit of your message, but rather your ill rhetorical treatment of it. I&#8217;m always amazed at authors who seem to believe that style and content are somehow separate and independent.</p><p>You claim quite clearly that SF fans have a particular obligation to accept e-readers because of SF&#8217;s themes (&#8220;&#8230;embrace the future, or forever hang up your SF fandom&#8221;). Then you try, poorly, to dodge that claim when called on it. Quoting my comment and saying &#8220;that&#8217;s ridiculous&#8221; (and nothing more) makes you look more foolish than if you had just ignored me. It&#8217;s the equivalent of &#8220;I know you are but what am I?&#8221; You&#8217;ve done precisely nothing to rebut my very straightforward comparison.</p><p>But I learned long ago not to waste time debating on the interwebs with people who have no grasp of the basic rules of debate. Adieu, and rest assured that I won&#8217;t bother you again, nor will I pick up one of your books the next time I&#8217;m browsing the stacks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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