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> <channel><title>Comments on: Avoid the old cliches and let originality shine</title> <atom:link href="http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html</link> <description>Words, Stories, Myths &#38; Opinion</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:17:15 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: alan</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4783</link> <dc:creator>alan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:05:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4783</guid> <description>Oh yeah - I think the writing of the books and stories is the easiest part!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah &#8211; I think the writing of the books and stories is the easiest part!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bobby Revell</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4782</link> <dc:creator>Bobby Revell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:19:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4782</guid> <description>Thanks! There is so much info about publishing, it can be confusing and there are so many differing opinions. I&#039;m glad you said that and will take your advice. I see getting published is an art in itself:)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! There is so much info about publishing, it can be confusing and there are so many differing opinions. I&#8217;m glad you said that and will take your advice. I see getting published is an art in itself:)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: alan</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4781</link> <dc:creator>alan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:02:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4781</guid> <description>I never write directly for a market, but I do try to carefully research where I&#039;ll send what I&#039;ve written. And there are so many indie publishing options out there now, you don&#039;t have to sell out to anyone - do your thing your way and let the public decide. Works for me. ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never write directly for a market, but I do try to carefully research where I&#8217;ll send what I&#8217;ve written. And there are so many indie publishing options out there now, you don&#8217;t have to sell out to anyone &#8211; do your thing your way and let the public decide. Works for me. <img
src='http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bobby Revell</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4780</link> <dc:creator>Bobby Revell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:31:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4780</guid> <description>Some submission guidelines are quite suffocating and a bit ridiculous, but I&#039;ll follow them wisely. Having played music professionally for decades, I see many similarities between the music and writing business. I see Stephene Meyer of &quot;Twilight&quot; as being like the Britney Spears of writing---something teenage girls like for example. She is extremely lucky to have be where she is! I already know my work will not appeal to the mainstream, but I generally cannot stand mainstream novels. I had a band manager criticize our 18 minute guitar solos and demand we mold our songs around the vocals. So we kicked out the singer, fired the manager and played progressive instrumental jazz-metal. That&#039;s when the band took off and made money. Musicians loved us, but normal crowds wanted vocals. So we had a small niche audience of mostly other musicians. I can get a job right now playing in a pop music band making really great money, but I&#039;d be miserable.I see I&#039;ll have to concede to some rules to get anywhere, but I can do that (though I hate rules). No matter what, I must love what I write or I won&#039;t be writing it. Do you ever feel like you have to &quot;sell out&quot; to sell a manuscript? Or do you see it from a different perspective?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some submission guidelines are quite suffocating and a bit ridiculous, but I&#8217;ll follow them wisely. Having played music professionally for decades, I see many similarities between the music and writing business. I see Stephene Meyer of &#8220;Twilight&#8221; as being like the Britney Spears of writing&#8212;something teenage girls like for example. She is extremely lucky to have be where she is! I already know my work will not appeal to the mainstream, but I generally cannot stand mainstream novels. I had a band manager criticize our 18 minute guitar solos and demand we mold our songs around the vocals. So we kicked out the singer, fired the manager and played progressive instrumental jazz-metal. That&#8217;s when the band took off and made money. Musicians loved us, but normal crowds wanted vocals. So we had a small niche audience of mostly other musicians. I can get a job right now playing in a pop music band making really great money, but I&#8217;d be miserable.</p><p>I see I&#8217;ll have to concede to some rules to get anywhere, but I can do that (though I hate rules). No matter what, I must love what I write or I won&#8217;t be writing it. Do you ever feel like you have to &#8220;sell out&#8221; to sell a manuscript? Or do you see it from a different perspective?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: alan</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4779</link> <dc:creator>alan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 08:35:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4779</guid> <description>Ah, the &quot;good editor&quot; - there&#039;s a whole discussion in itself! In truth, half decent editor can spot a good story a mile off. The jaded editor, on the other hand, might be more arbitrary.I&#039;ve edited for short fiction before. I can tell you now that the large majority of stuff is just atrocious and easily discarded within the first couple of paragraphs. Some stuff doesn&#039;t even get that far - if someone blatantly disregards the submission guidelines, they don&#039;t even get read. That leaves a small amount to be read in more detail and even the most jaded editor &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be able to sort the wheat from the chaff there.Interesting article that you linked, however - certainly food for thought!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the &#8220;good editor&#8221; &#8211; there&#8217;s a whole discussion in itself! In truth, half decent editor can spot a good story a mile off. The jaded editor, on the other hand, might be more arbitrary.</p><p>I&#8217;ve edited for short fiction before. I can tell you now that the large majority of stuff is just atrocious and easily discarded within the first couple of paragraphs. Some stuff doesn&#8217;t even get that far &#8211; if someone blatantly disregards the submission guidelines, they don&#8217;t even get read. That leaves a small amount to be read in more detail and even the most jaded editor <i>should</i> be able to sort the wheat from the chaff there.</p><p>Interesting article that you linked, however &#8211; certainly food for thought!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4778</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 08:15:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4778</guid> <description>Yes but a good editor will take more preventative steps to make sure their decision, whilst subjective, isn&#039;t arbitrary.Also it reminds me of a post I just read [http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/you_are_not_hir.html]: Most manuscripts editors get  tend to come from writers who haven&#039;t had theirs placed before so they are below average in quality. Meaning editors are getting a sample bias and end up underestimating the quality of an average new writer.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but a good editor will take more preventative steps to make sure their decision, whilst subjective, isn&#8217;t arbitrary.</p><p>Also it reminds me of a post I just read [http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/03/you_are_not_hir.html]: Most manuscripts editors get  tend to come from writers who haven&#8217;t had theirs placed before so they are below average in quality. Meaning editors are getting a sample bias and end up underestimating the quality of an average new writer.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: alan</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4777</link> <dc:creator>alan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 05:15:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4777</guid> <description>Bobby - I have visited your blog, but didn&#039;t read any of your shorts. I&#039;ll correct that soon!BT - Good points. Much as we&#039;d like to think that fiction markets are completely objective, they&#039;re not. An editor that&#039;s had enough of zombies, for example, will reject even a brilliantly written zombie story. As an editor that&#039;s their prerogative. It&#039;s up to us to write what we want to write and then place it in the market where it stands the best chance of being bought.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby &#8211; I have visited your blog, but didn&#8217;t read any of your shorts. I&#8217;ll correct that soon!</p><p>BT &#8211; Good points. Much as we&#8217;d like to think that fiction markets are completely objective, they&#8217;re not. An editor that&#8217;s had enough of zombies, for example, will reject even a brilliantly written zombie story. As an editor that&#8217;s their prerogative. It&#8217;s up to us to write what we want to write and then place it in the market where it stands the best chance of being bought.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BT</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4776</link> <dc:creator>BT</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:25:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4776</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know if a really good story, which turns out to be a dream would work anyway. I always feel cheated to find out that everything I just invested my time in didn&#039;t actually happen.If taken on face value, everything has been done before. I read a post once where the plots were branched out into hundreds of ideas that had been done before (you can search on my blog under the label plots if you really want to see it), and another post where there are only three original ideas.It doesn&#039;t matter in the end. If you can come up with a new angle, and that only has to be the slightest of new angles, and tell it in your own voice, then you have written something original. The problem is when you try to sell it.Some editors lump everything into those old plot categories and if yours isn&#039;t original enough (obviously very subjective), it won&#039;t progress.In the end, you can only write about the ideas and story lines you have in your head and do as a good a job as possible. You can seriously do your head in trying to think up a totally new idea.Sound advice, Alan, to check what editors are putting out as stuff they don&#039;t want to see. It also helps to read an issue or two so you can see what they have paid out cash for.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if a really good story, which turns out to be a dream would work anyway. I always feel cheated to find out that everything I just invested my time in didn&#8217;t actually happen.</p><p>If taken on face value, everything has been done before. I read a post once where the plots were branched out into hundreds of ideas that had been done before (you can search on my blog under the label plots if you really want to see it), and another post where there are only three original ideas.</p><p>It doesn&#8217;t matter in the end. If you can come up with a new angle, and that only has to be the slightest of new angles, and tell it in your own voice, then you have written something original. The problem is when you try to sell it.</p><p>Some editors lump everything into those old plot categories and if yours isn&#8217;t original enough (obviously very subjective), it won&#8217;t progress.</p><p>In the end, you can only write about the ideas and story lines you have in your head and do as a good a job as possible. You can seriously do your head in trying to think up a totally new idea.</p><p>Sound advice, Alan, to check what editors are putting out as stuff they don&#8217;t want to see. It also helps to read an issue or two so you can see what they have paid out cash for.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bobby Revell</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4775</link> <dc:creator>Bobby Revell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 02:21:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4775</guid> <description>Yes actually I have . . . sort of on a few stories, but if they&#039;re anything, they are original in writing style. Have you ever visited my blog and read any of my short stories? You should, I do come here all the time and like your blog quite a lot:)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes actually I have . . . sort of on a few stories, but if they&#8217;re anything, they are original in writing style. Have you ever visited my blog and read any of my short stories? You should, I do come here all the time and like your blog quite a lot:)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: alan</title><link>http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/2009/05/14/avoid-cliches-originality-shine.html/comment-page-1#comment-4774</link> <dc:creator>alan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.alanbaxteronline.com/?p=1491#comment-4774</guid> <description>Bobby - I agree to some extent. But have you tried writing a story that turned out to be a dream? Making it interesting and seemingly original would be very hard!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby &#8211; I agree to some extent. But have you tried writing a story that turned out to be a dream? Making it interesting and seemingly original would be very hard!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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